Part 1: Book of Revelation gives position of “sun moon and stars” at Creation

The recent conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter this past December of 2020 provoked me to dig deeper. (See “2020 Christmas Star” & the Great Planetary Alignment when Noah died,

At Creation, the planets aligned in the constellation of Virgo (“The Women”) and in Cetus (“The Sea Monster”), the same symbolism found in Revelation 12-13.

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.

She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

Although we presently lack perfect astronomical knowledge as to the position of the sun, moon, and stars at creation, (dated according to a literal interpretation of the Bible), such as the exact position of solar eclipses, yet there remains sufficient certainty to recognize that the same symbolism as found in the Book of Revelation was then portrayed in the heavens. This appears to include all of the Book of Revelation and not just chapter 12.

For example, the position of the sun, moon, and stars at creation also portrays Rev. 13 in combination with the prophecy of Genesis 3:14,15. And while the astronomical imagery is not always identical, the similarities are striking, especially when related scriptures are taking into account. (After all, the Book of Revelation is itself a compilation of Old Testament imagery.)

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea… All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. Rev 13:1,8

 

So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
    between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
    and you will strike his heel.” (Gen. 3:14,15)

When was the Creation?

Before we begin, the date for creation according to the plain reading of the Bible must be established. Fortunately, this is a simple task. Evangelical scholars now generally accept 1446 BC as the date of the Exodus from Egypt. For 30 years I have also used this date in hundreds of articles. It’s likely the same date used in the notes in your own Bible.

From 1446 BC it is a simple matter to count backward to Creation according to the plain meaning of the Bible. The straightforward date of Creation is the spring of 4114 BC.

The difficulty comes when one combines the New Testament into what would otherwise have been a straightforward chronology. This post does not explain the workings of biblical chronology, which has been discussed many times already. Instead, I passionately ask the “why” question, rather than the “when” question. Why are there several different legitimate approaches to ascertaining the date of Creation? Why would God allow several possibilities? Is He the author of confusion or harmony?

I have always held an eclectic position. What I mean by this is, rather than attempting to find out the “correct date” or “actual date” of creation, instead, allow the Bible to speak for itself. If scripture leads to more than one answer –to more than one date for Creation — so be it!

If we take this approach, a harmony emerges that is far greater than the adoption of any single date for the creation. The whole is greater than its parts, and two or three witnesses to the Messiah are better than one.

MT (“Your Bible!”) Chronology. Creation to Moses in the Bible. Click here for best quality.

How can there be multiple dates for the Creation?

In the earlier post, I explain how the extremely rare alignment of planets in 1953/1951 BC coincides with the death of Noah and the birth of Abraham. The date is based upon the “430 years” spent in Egypt AND Canaan, which is the reading of the SP, and perhaps the LXX and New Testament. About half of chronologers go this route, as did Bishop Usher, for example. The other half of chronologers simply take your Old Testament Bible as is. (Your Bible is based upon the Hebrew Massoretic Text, “MT”).

“The time that the people of Israel lived in Egypt was 430 years.” Exodus 12:40

However, by adding to this verse the extra word, “and-Canaan”, the effect is to cut the span of “430 years in Egypt” symmetrically in half, ie., 215 years.

But which is correct?

Was Israel 215 or 430 years in Egypt?

And the battle between views continues and will continue until we realize that our God is One — One in the sense of Union, the perfect union of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. His creation exhibits this great truth, as does Bible chronology.

At this point, my heart breaks. I weep. I spent 30 years writing hundreds of articles proving that the date of creation is not one or the other, it’s both. But men love to champion sides, not realizing that they are fighting themselves.

The root of the problem is a failure to understand the purpose of the Biblical chronology. It was never about ascertaining what year was the creation. It has always been about the Creator, about Christ. It reveals Jesus, and then to a much lesser extent about ‘how’ He created, and still less, ‘when’.

The New Testament writers understood this. That’s why, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Matthew and Luke left out or added names (such as Kenan) in the chronology of Christ in order to encode truth. Truth is based in fact but is far more than the sum of them. According to Luke, Jesus is the 77th ancestor from Adam, “the Son of God”, but according to Matthew, there are 40 generations from Abraham to Christ, etc. Now that means something! “77” (and 70 from Enoch), and “40” — are recurrent symbolic numbers found throughout the Bible.

Moreover, one genealogy moves forward in time, from the beginning to the end, but the other in reverse order. That, too, reveals something, (Rev. 22:13). The testimonies of Matthew and Luke about Christ complete each other. Their genealogies are harmonious in two ways: they blend well numerically, and both point to Christ.

The approach of Mathew and Luke is the same as the rest of the Bible.

IT’S ALL ABOUT JESUS!

It’s not a dry scientific textbook.

Stop limiting God by the norms of western civilization!

There are a number of points in time that God draws our attention to as figurative of the Creation. But none of them is the actual date of creation. The Bible is not meant to tell us that. That’s not the objective. The question we should ask is:

How does this or that date for the creation (or the Flood, etc.) point to Christ? 

If you ask this question, and only this question, and refuse to bark up the wrong tree, that’s when you see the burning bush!

See! The bush burns and does not go out!

The revelation of Jesus Christ in the numeric of the Bible is higher than any summit and deeper than any bottom; it’s broader than any horizon. It describes a place and time but is not bound by either.

The heavenly constellations bow down at His feet

Heaven and earth are in agreement, they bow before Him.

God has the power to conforms all things to His will. His will is that His Son is declared by all of creation, things seen and unseen — every atom, every cell, every word ever spoken.  All things turn and bow at His feet, the sun moon, and stars — including every word spoken against Him, so great is His power.

The constellations in the heavens, so perverted by the pagans, God uses. Their attempt to dethrone Him provokes laughter in heaven! They have no real power. God outwits His enemies ten-thousand chess moves in advance. They are but fuel for the fire, a sink to wash the hands of the saints in, pharaohs to display His power by.

Wake up, saints! Rise and sit enthroned where Christ is. All things are yours. See from His perspective. This is the true role of prophetic ministry — to cause others to see things as they really are.

Your God reigns!

Brethren, this present world — this present chaos — is just a temporary arena wherein God demonstrates His power to beings great and small, visible and invisible. “It is finished!” God rolls up the heavens like a scroll. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. Until then, watch and pray, and give Him glory!

The heavens declare the glory of God! (Psalm 19; )

In Part Two the heavenly signs at creation are examined.

Some verses about constellations and astronomical signs

Astrology robs God of His glory and misdirects it, turning glory into shame. However, the heavens declare the glory of Jesus and His Father will not share His glory with false gods, nor with men. Jesus is the Glory of God, and only “in Him” are His followers glorified.

Matthew 2:1-2
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem
 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

Job 9:9
Who makes the Bear, Orion and the Pleiades,
And the chambers of the south;

Job 38:31
“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades,
Or loose the cords of Orion?

Amos 5:8
He who made the Pleiades and Orion
And changes deep darkness into morning,
Who also darkens day into night…

Isaiah 13:10
For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light.

Genesis 1:14-19
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17 God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Luke 21:25-26
`There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And there will be much trouble for the people on earth. They will not know what to do. It will be like the sound of big waves of the sea.

Men will be weak with fear. They will be afraid of the things that will be happening to the world. The powers in the sky will be shaken.

In Part Two the heavenly signs at creation are examined.

7 thoughts on “Part 1: Book of Revelation gives position of “sun moon and stars” at Creation”

  1. Dean,
    You rejected me in past
    God has come upon me many times since
    The same book Daniel read was handed me in a night vision and morning vision
    Every pic you drew has a place seen in real time
    A total match to your works i hold in real time
    Even the Hopi i gave these signs to in stone that was a map of the whole picture you draw all at once
    Please contact me
    I have your picture in stone as well
    To validate God sees you as well
    Thank you
    This is important

    1. I have not rejected you. However, the Pictograms are about Jesus, not me, not you. No offense, but I sense that you have not grasped this.
      Focus on JESUS, and the shadows will fade.
      See Jesus everywhere and His face will shine upon you.
      But, the man who sees himself everywhere sits in darkness.

      Isaiah 9:1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those in distress. In the past He humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future He will honor the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations: 2The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death, a light has dawned.

  2. Shalom Dean, Wow! What a wealth of information! I went from a famine of barely finding any information to a feast! Yah just led me to understanding His divine pattern of Jubilees by making my own 5880 template with the 50th being the 1st year of the next 49 year cycle. He also has shown me that the 360 Prophetic Jubilee Calendar is for ‘counting’; from what I have gathered. It seems like he knew the calendars would become very confusing so he gave us a ‘counting chart’ with anchor events/dates to start and stop (we wouldn’t need a tequfah nor balancing days – we would just need to observe events/dates and count especially for the last 7 years).

    From my 6 week journey into this calendar realm, it became very apparent that the basic Jubilee counting calendar should first be understood before delving into other calendars.

    I’m just trying to establish a foundational starting point. Am I correct in understanding that the Prophetic Jubilee 360 Counting calendar is for “counting” only? If someone wanted to use it as an annual calendar then would it look more like an Enoch calendar with 4 intercalated days along with determining the Spring equinox? Is there a calendar that syncs with the 360 Jubilee prophetic counting calendar (I just remembered I saw your calendar converter but haven’t check it out yet).

    I am very surprised at the lack of information about the ‘counting’ Jubilee calendar (until I came across your website!). I’m not a mathematician like you but I have verified the divine beauty of the 5880 Jubilee template (which fades in comparison to your charts) with the 49+1/being the 50th and the 1st of the next cycle, but I don’t see how people can construct a 50 year / 30 day month Jubilee cycle by adding in an extra year??? Does such an animal exist? It does sound good with the numbers 6000 years and 120 Jubilee cycles but I’d like to see a working template if one exists.

    You may just want to direct me to articles that you believe would answer most of my questions. I just discovered your website this evening and have just scratched the surface. Thanks for all your work!!!

    Lastly, do you understand Gen. 6:3 to be speaking of 120 years of (Jubilees?)

    1. Greetings!
      Please see https://1260d.com/2020/09/24/part-one-how-all-calendars-harmonize-in-cycles-of-40-years/

      The Bible shows us that a jubilee is 49 years, thus ten jubilees are 490 years as said in Daniel 9. The Book of Jubilees also follows this system. Moses also utilized it. The notion of 50 plus 50, etc., was an alteration done soon after Christ, likely in an attempt to distract from Him. It is used in the Sedar Olam, which is the basis for the method used among religious Jews today. This is sad, but God is greater than men.

      I believe that for the sake of grace, God tracks the 50 years system too, but in a more general way. Such as 50 years or 100 years from any major event, such as the birth of Israel in 1948. But the Bible teaches consecutive 49-year periods, with the 50th inclusive, the same as at Pentecost: Nisan 16th of Firstfruits plus “seven weeks” and “50 days” both come to Pentecost, Sivan 6th, which is 49 days exclusively reckoned or 50 inclusive.

      So, a jubilee is 49 years (50 inclusive), but for the sake of mercy, God acknowledges consecutive 50’s so that men might be saved, and for the sake of the simple-minded, whom He loves. Besides, 100 years can be a generation in the Bible (as is 40). And so 6000 years is highly symbolic. It is both 60 generations and as six days, as it is written: “A day is as a thousand years”. And so, either way, 100-year timespans are still significant, with “50” thus half-a-generation. (Any number can be halved in the Bible to signify something “cut short”. The context will tell you.) If someone wants to relabel “half-a-generation” and instead call it a “jubilee”, well, it might not be technically correct, but both are meaningful. Jubilees divide the ages into Sabbath-rests whereas “50-years” mark human milestones because they are half-a-generation in the lives of men.

      Gen. 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be sojourners in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 and also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15 But thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16 And in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet full.

      Isaac was born to Abraham at 100 years of age. Moreover, Abraham died 100 years after God called him out of Ur of the Chaldees.

      Also, note that Israel fled to Haran at 77 and worked for 7 + 7 more years for a wife and died at the age of ’49 x 3′. His is the pattern of Sabbaticals whereas Abraham of generations. Isaac is of generations of “40 years” and he lived half-360-years. “A day is as a year”, thus Isaac symbolically lived half-a-year! Moreover, Moses was born 360 years after the death of Isaac (1886 to 1526 BC). And from the birth of Abraham to the Exodus are 360 + 360 years. And so forth!

      It is complex — yet simple too; just like you would expect from the Almighty who communicates with both babes and angels, each according to their level of comprehension, yet without contradiction.

  3. wow Dean well said
    PRAISE GOD ALMIGHTY for we are peons!
    To God we are specks of nothing yet he does this all for us?

  4. Some Babylonians became believers from Daniel’s ministry in Babylon…..and they counted the 483 years,,,,,and watched the skies daily, and studied the OT,…….and a new Star led them to Jesus’ home, where they gave Him gifts, and they worshipped Jesus……..Daniel was a missionary to Babylon,,,,Daniel sowed tears, and Jesus reaped gold from babylon

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